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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 756 for the 2nd of April

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2023 Richardson is coming to you from a

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soggy wet soggy raining and sogging

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sogging Sydney Australia coming up on

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this week's show I talked to Kenny

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Biddle Kenny Biddle a man I've known for

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years but have never met never met

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committee for skeptical inquiry a c s i

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fellow and host of the skeptical help

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bar and skeptical helpbar is a program I

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appeared on just the other day live uh

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with Kenny it was a video show

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and we took questions we had a great

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time and I'll link to that interview in

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this week's show notes

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as the um as the rain Pours Down outside

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the skeptic Zone Studio I hope the

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skeptic Zone cats are okay

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I think they're downstairs under a

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cardboard box my interview with Kenny

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Biddle coming up at the top of the show

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following that I take a peek into and I

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have it right here here it is

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I take a peek into the latest issue of

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian Skeptics a little overview

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for those who subscribe you'll know what

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to get when that magazine arrives in

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your letterbox or by now you should have

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it in your uh email inbox if you choose

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to get the digital version the latest

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issue the latest issue of the skeptic

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magazine in review then we have a blast

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from the past A real blast from the past

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way back in 1988 we hear a talk by the

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current challenge coordinator of

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Australian Skeptics Ian Bryce about the

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challenges the psychic challenges

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presented to the Skeptics all those

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years ago now this is an old recording I

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found in the archives it was on a

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cassette and I ran it through a digital

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filter to remove the hiss and everything

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so it cleans up pretty well

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fascinating Peak into skeptical history

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what were Skeptics investigating

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paranormal sense in the Paranormal sense

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in 1988

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then to round off the show it's back to

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the Trove archives where we look for

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ghosts an oldie but a goodie ghosts in

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hospitals I think this time around

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haunted Wards haunted nurses haunted

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doctors when we visit the Trove archives

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but I must say the well you know what

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happened today the clocks changed here

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in my part of the world so we went back

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an hour and the nights are starting to

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get colder cooler which means you don't

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have to sleep with a fan on and uh

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trying to keep cool you can snuggle up

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or whatever you have a nice blanket

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whatever you're doing wherever you are

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if you're in bed if you're getting out

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of bed if you're going for a walk if

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you're on the bus the Train the boat

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anybody listening to this on a boat I

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boat I hope you enjoy the show it's time

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chicken noodle soup while I do that I

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[Music]

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and joining me on the line right now

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it's Henny Biddle Hello Kenny hello

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Richard how are you today I'm very well

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I'm very well because I just did a two

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hour session on your show your video

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show we did skeptical help bar what can

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you tell our listeners about that that

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is a live show that I do every Friday

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usually science skepticism or something

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like that and then the second hour is

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all up to the viewers where they get to

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ask you questions themselves and we talk

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you haven't gotten it the whole thing is

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audience and just say ask whatever you

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learn to get this is all part of the CFI

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of course the the skeptical Inquirer yes

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was hired here full time and then I

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brought it to them and now yes now it's

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it's we broadcast live from Buffalo New

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York every every Friday how exciting

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and you haven't been in this new

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position for very long so where exactly

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called Amherst and it's it's right by

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the Lakes the the oh my gosh I've only

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of March well in your time it's it's the

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first day of April but yeah

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area uh but what I do I am the chief

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skeptical inquire so that means all of

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the weird stuff that happens in the

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world whether it's ghosts hauntings

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reference materials that I got which is

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called the Richard Saunders collection

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as we were chatting about on the uh the

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interview we just did how could you

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possibly have a better job we get to

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mystery yep so not only do I get to to

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things and and teach critical thinking

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learning because you talk about ghosts

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investigators School show for uh 20

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show but I we I just didn't get to it

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love this is exactly what you're talking

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hand and then you explain the physics

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behind fire walking and other things so

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there you are you're in the heartland of

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skeptical investigations now you asked

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me during the interview what my

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monsters I'm a big sci-fi geek I'm a

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comic book nerd so all of these kind of

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stories just that's what I was about and

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to hear these monsters and ghost stories

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wife and I got married and we bought

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ourselves a computer and back then it

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my area that I could actually join and

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balls of light and photographs were

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ghosts and you could record them on your

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something yeah I have all these tapes

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and I still have the equipment I keep

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all that women in case I want to watch

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it I never do because it's embarrassing

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that the the stuff that I've said well

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you should digitize it and put it onto a

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chip like I did yes and send it to you

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yeah you can have the Kenny Biddle files

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you've heard of The X-Files and the

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Saunders files now we've got the middle

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files yep

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oh and uh by the way the session we just

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did can people see that

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yes uh it goes immediately to YouTube so

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if you go onto the YouTube channel

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um look for my name Kenny Biddle and it

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it'll come up you'll see the channel and

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go to the live videos and it's already

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there it's already saved there excellent

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well there'll be a link in this week's

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show notes but what we're saying is Well

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apart you know skepticism is not just a

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dry academic uh Pursuit we have so much

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fun it's outrageous fun and we get to do

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true investigation and Adventures

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yeah I we have so much fun we're not

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like you said we're not these boring

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academics that you might think of when

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you say oh a bunch of Skeptics get

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together and they just you know they

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just debunk everything and they're and

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Grumble they're they're they they

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they're Buzz kills but we're not we have

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so much fun and I mean just the last two

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hours that we've spent talking about and

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hearing stories and trading uh stories

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and experiences was fun I laughed a lot

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I enjoyed it yeah and uh even when I go

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to classrooms and talk to kids it's not

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a boring thing I never see anyone fall

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asleep yeah when I when I do my lectures

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no one is checking their phone which is

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like that's the sure sign of whether

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you're doing good or not that's a good

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sign we also learned the other trick

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about presenting to school children uh

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occasionally you throw candy they love

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that

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here

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yeah maybe not maybe not but we can

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still do it here Kenny if people want to

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find out more what's the best place they

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can head to uh you can go to

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skepticalenquirer.org and look up my

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name uh Kenny bitter all of my work

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there and my my articles that I do for

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skeptical Inquirer both online and in

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the print magazine are on there I also

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do a video series for them called ghosts

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in the machine and you do Tick Tock and

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I do a tick tock yes we do a tick tock

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I've I've been watching same thing you

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can look up my name Kenny Biddle and

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that is so much fun I mean people

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complain about Tick Tock but I have a

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lot of fun there are so many

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ridiculous videos on there yeah but

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really bad the fun part is trying to

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figure out how they do it and I mean

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some are so obviously bad too it is but

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some some are very clever and it takes

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me a little bit like for the people

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people that are listening can't see it

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but if you look behind me like on the

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Shelf there there's a teddy bear

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um and there was a video where this

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person said that portals these magic

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portals were opening up in his house and

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this teddy Bear got stuck halfway

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through a portal in his ceiling and it

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was just stuck it was half a bear

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but then

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later in the video it pops out there's a

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flash of light and it pops out and teddy

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bears all whole you know and there's

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nothing ripped and it it took me a

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little bit to figure out what they did

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there was no special effects

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and basically all they did was they they

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sh it's because it's a stuffed um it's a

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plush toy it's a plush bear you know and

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they just jammed the legs up into the

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body and squished it and then taped it

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up to the ceiling and that's what I did

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you heard of a boo bear

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a boot yes yes yeah this is the bed with

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a camera inside to catch Paranormal

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Activity oh my goodness that's spooky in

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itself isn't it that's pretty yeah

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because they also talk

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yeah they they say random phrases and

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that's a big problem like I've had Ghost

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Hunter send me clips video clips saying

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what's going on we hear a voice

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and I hear the voice and it's it's a

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distinct voice so as soon as I hear it I

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say well do you have one of those boo

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bear things well yeah but it was in the

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other room yeah it was on wasn't it yes

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well that's what you're that's what

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you're recording

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so yeah you got to be careful of those

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things again folks uh people like Kenny

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and myself have more fun it's uh you

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know that expression it's more fun than

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a barrel of monkeys

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it is it is every day I am happy every

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day of my life right now so that that's

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wonderful thank you Kenny thank you for

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spending the last two hours with me

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again folks I'll put a link to that

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video in this week's show notes and I

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had a great time because I pulled a

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thanks Kenny awesome thank you

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thank you

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Richard how do I get better at telling

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if people are lying it's really simple

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what you need to do it's real well

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actually funny you should ask that

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because well I just want to improve my

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memory I've got this great trip can you

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make me happier okay look for answers to

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a thousand questions about the

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Incredible World of human behavior and

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the psychology of everyday life join me

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psychologist Richard Wiseman and me

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science journalist Marnie chasterton on

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Richard wiseman's on your mind new

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podcast from podomo and Telltale can I

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win the lottery probably not

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no of course every now and then on the

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skeptic Zone podcast we hear the book of

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Tim with Tim Mendham in fact I'm going

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to be visiting Tim or he's going to be

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visiting the studios before long to

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record more

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book of Tim or is it books of Tim or as

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a book of Tim's something like that

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where Tim Mendham Dives back through the

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back issues of the skeptic magazine the

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journal from Australian Skeptics now

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it's up to volume 43 number one which

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means it's been going for 43 years more

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or less

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and I thought I would give a quick

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overview to you of the latest issue

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because it is really one of the Premier

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skeptical magazines in the world

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certainly one of the oldest

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and here it is

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right in front of me the skeptic

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and the uh cover has a

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denim jacket with various skeptical pins

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one says I love Skeptics I wonder where

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that was from one is from Tam Australia

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all the way back there in 2010 I see the

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Bay Area Skeptics logo Australian

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Skeptics logo and another pin in the

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shape of a heart I'm a skeptic you know

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where out there hmm

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and the headlines are staying relevant

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what Skeptics need to do

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and also in the issue psychic tricks

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skepticon which is coming up in

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Melbourne later this year exorcism and

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Yuri gella on TV

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let's have a quick look through and see

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what we can see in the magazine well the

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skepticon on the back cover

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there's a

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a promotion for skepticon the Australian

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Skeptics National Convention and this

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will be in December December two to

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three this year at the brain Center

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University of Melbourne appropriate

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really

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and I'm sure we'll be hearing about uh

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lots more about that during the course

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but opening up the magazine let's have a

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look let's have a look an editorial by

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Tim Mendham called preaching and

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teaching and then we have around the

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Trap sort of a Roundup of a skeptical

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news there's an item about Ivermectin

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still making the news

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another story about a Northern Territory

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Court rejecting a sovereign citizen

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anti-vaxx appeal the story about the

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conspiracy about covid-19 being

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leaked from a lab what's this Mexican

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president posts photo of an elf

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Pete Evans Spooks expensive fasting

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Retreat Pete Evans still in the news hmm

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pay a lot of money to eat very little

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when we have little tributes here to the

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late Harriet Hall and Richard buchon

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from uh Queensland the Queensland

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another story about Meryl Dory still in

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the news it says here Meryl Dory Beyond

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again off again president of the

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anti-vaccination group Australian

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vaccination risk Network or is it risks

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one of them

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has made a bizarre online complaint

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about having to wear a mask in hospital

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oh dear poor thing

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story about New Zealand cyclone and

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earthquakes not being engineered

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disasters well

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I certainly hope not uaps get to mention

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uh abandoned worst Peddler of

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misinformation Russia claims psychic

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attacks

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it's a bit out of date isn't it I mean

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weren't they conducting psychic Warfare

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way back in the 1970s or something like

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that

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and a few other stories the rest of the

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magazine is devoted to a review of the

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last convention the last Australian

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Skeptics convention with an lineup of

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the speakers oh my goodness me there's a

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photograph of Brian Dunning oh well it

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takes all kinds I suppose I don't know

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oh there's the ESP podcast too they're a

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fine group of people

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and yes every story every uh talk from

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the convention that gets a little uh

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little review

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a section called readers indigestible

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looks at some new age magazines

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including New Dawn 14 times and the

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history of astrology a feature by Claire

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klingenberg about the way to go the way

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ahead for skepticism

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then we have a feature from Tim minimum

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about the search for relevance

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A continuing feature on exorcism in

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Australia bizarre but true a skeptical

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crossword and then what's this we have a

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large feature here by Susan gerbig

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Susan gubick explains how much

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information there is about you online

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and how psychics can access it

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psychic could have known it says

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and it's a very interesting and really

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worth reading about how these people

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troll the Internet troll your social

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media looking for Clues and photographs

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and documents and so on

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and then feed those back to you as if

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they're getting mystical insights very

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good research there by Susan gerbeck

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it's a lengthy feature and certainly one

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worth reading

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then we have a story about the time Yuri

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Gala was on TV here in Australia in 1987

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so a good decade after his uh initial

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first uh Fame and his confrontation with

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the magician Ben Harris and Ben Harris

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actually wrote a book with the or for

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the Australian Skeptics were published

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by the Australian Skeptics called

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gallerism revealed which is like a magic

548
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manual on how to bend keys and spoons

549
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the Geller method hmm

550
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foreign

551
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we have more articles and features so

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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last four are available free to download

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[Music]

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foreign

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yes my name is Carrie Poppy I co-host a

577
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podcast called owner Ross and Carrie

578
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this is my co-host Ross right here okay

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we investigate spirituality claims of

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the Paranormal and we were wondering if

581
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we could get on the r you did come two

582
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by two I appreciate that though most of

583
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,220
the things I'm letting on the ark don't

584
00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:04,799
talk I'm gonna be talking all up on this

585
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boat do you mind both I prefer Arc I'm

586
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not listening but if you let me on then

587
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I will make my really good podcast on

588
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your boat can you at least help clean up

589
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all the poop I guess I don't see why not

590
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well check out the podcast where do I

591
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foreign

592
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,730
Skeptics around the world have been

593
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investigating Mysteries and paranormal

594
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,020
claims for well I guess it must be

595
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approaching something like 60 years I

596
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thought we would take a trip back to the

597
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year 1988 and hear a presentation by Ian

598
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Bryce who's currently still currently

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the um the challenge coordinator here in

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Australia for the 100 000 prize way back

601
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then something like 35 years ago roughly

602
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:01,320
Ian Bryce spoke to the crowd about some

603
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,440
of the challenges that have come the way

604
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:06,419
or came the way of Australian Skeptics

605
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:09,919
when people were inquiring or trying to

606
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:13,679
win the cash prize on offer all the way

607
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:17,460
back then in 1988 and this is from an

608
00:27:23,149 --> 00:27:20,400
old archive I dug up an old cassette

609
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,159
recording and I've done my best to scrub

610
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:24,960
it up cleaned it up digitally it's a

611
00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:26,520
little bit hit and miss here and there

612
00:27:31,370 --> 00:27:28,919
but I think it's clear enough but it's

613
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an insight into our history into

614
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skeptical history in 1988 this is the

615
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sort of thing uh when it came to

616
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Paranormal challenges Australian

617
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Skeptics were dealing with take it away

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1988.

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uh without any further Ado we will go

620
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into the sessions

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and our first Speaker there's

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um Ian Bryce

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00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,520
who will tell us something about the

624
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challenges we've received from psychics

625
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,320
the official challenges uh in which they

626
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seek to get our twenty thousand dollars

627
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,620
thank you very much

628
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,659
but thanks very much Barry

629
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:14,520
but firstly perhaps I can give you a

630
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,140
little admon on the background of the

631
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,080
challenge as you probably all remember

632
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,260
Dick Smith and James Randy got together

633
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:25,260
back in 1981 and set up a water divining

634
00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:27,480
test involving an allotment of ground

635
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,539
with pipes buried in in the ground and

636
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,820
what it would be switched between them

637
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,039
those tests were very well organized and

638
00:28:39,049 --> 00:28:37,500
well publicized in the media as you know

639
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,059
those tests were not successful

640
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,340
following that publicity the Australian

641
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,799
Skeptics was created and the number of

642
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,480
interested people in Australia got

643
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:47,760
together and as you know they regularly

644
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:50,760
Harvest magazine and researched a number

645
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:54,419
of psychic claims that actively

646
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:55,740
investigated

647
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,260
many of the claims which appeared in the

648
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media and which they heard of and some

649
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:02,100
of those carried through to the testing

650
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,179
stage and then around 1984 we decided to

651
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:08,100
issue a formal

652
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:11,340
challenge to psychics because the stream

653
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,380
of Psychics which were which were coming

654
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,120
to our attention was beginning to reduce

655
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:17,640
a little and we decided that this would

656
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,120
be a printed set of rules by which it

657
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,399
has to be done and this would have the

658
00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:25,559
advantage that would be easily

659
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:28,679
distributed it would be widely reported

660
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:29,880
in the media

661
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,460
which has been very successful

662
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,840
there was a large amount of money

663
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,179
involved because like a hundred thousand

664
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,919
dollars for sure to attract a lot of

665
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,659
interest

666
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:41,880
and it had some meat in it now that was

667
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:44,520
legally enforceable how patrons made a

668
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:45,960
statement saying that the money was in

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00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:47,220
fact available

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00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,559
to anyone who would reliably demonstrate

671
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:51,600
the psych event and furthermore it

672
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,080
enabled us in our presentation to State

673
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,080
categorically but despised a very large

674
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:00,600
amount of reward money available the

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00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:02,520
worldwide figures around half a million

676
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,419
dollars

677
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:05,820
no psychic had ever been able to come up

678
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:08,580
with a single psychic event demonstrated

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00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:10,260
reliably

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00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,760
so that throws some of the

681
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:14,279
responsibility onto the cities and not

682
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:15,899
just on because the Skeptics who

683
00:30:21,470 --> 00:30:19,200
investigate them as they can this can be

684
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:21,480
regarded as a more active approach so

685
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,299
how does our challenge work the method

686
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:27,179
has been based partly on a methods used

687
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,700
by James Randy and these methods have

688
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,399
been modified by our own experience in

689
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:35,279
Australia in carrying out our own tests

690
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:37,559
I think aim of course the aim is to

691
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:39,260
carry out the test in a systematic

692
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:42,179
controlled and reliable manner in other

693
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,039
words you carry out the test in a way

694
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,600
that will enable you to have confidence

695
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,960
in the results that's the so Elaine will

696
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,640
be criticized to the rules being too

697
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,620
harsh but their soul purpose is simply

698
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,779
to make the results reliable and we can

699
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,700
have confidence in them fix it away they

700
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,440
work out there are a number of

701
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,080
conditions set out on the piece of paper

702
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,539
which ensure most of you have seen I'll

703
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:05,700
just summarize them here firstly the

704
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,740
claimant should submit his or her claim

705
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:10,140
in writing to the Australian Skeptics

706
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:11,820
you'll be surprised at the number that

707
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,220
they were run up saying verbally that

708
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,840
they did this and left Bain and can make

709
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,220
peace have the money

710
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:19,860
there have been some like that so rather

711
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,779
we would like them to write it down in

712
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:23,399
the proper letter stating dates times

713
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:25,980
and bases and so book there are a few

714
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:27,899
massive Logistics say just to streamline

715
00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:30,600
the procedures one is that they we asked

716
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:32,460
they would get a reliable person such as

717
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:34,740
a teacher police officer perhaps other

718
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:36,299
Queensland one

719
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:39,020
for public servant or so on to witness

720
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,059
the abyss is not legally binding in any

721
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,919
way it just helps to sort out those who

722
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:45,360
have just invented something in their

723
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,600
mind to try and uh get around it

724
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:50,399
now the protocol or the method of

725
00:31:53,570 --> 00:31:52,260
carrying out the test and analyzing the

726
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:53,580
results

727
00:31:57,649 --> 00:31:55,500
will be the result of discussion between

728
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,659
us and the people faming it

729
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,880
and we must agree on a protocol before

730
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:01,919
we can proceed further as you will

731
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,980
appreciate it's entirely meaningless to

732
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:07,260
carry out some tests and you're not sure

733
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,940
how long they're going to take and when

734
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:10,200
they're going to end and the end of the

735
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,539
tests you've got a success rate that's a

736
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,640
60 out of 100 or something debt so

737
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:16,620
therefore the thresholds on which it is

738
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:18,059
judged must be agreed by everyone

739
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,590
organization so therefore the costs must

740
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,640
of course Deeper by the payment although

741
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,860
in practice the members of the Skeptics

742
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:30,419
carrying at this the little less even

743
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,220
there again hopefully the time and

744
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,860
resources to do so and finally whatever

745
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,240
the results

746
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,340
Australian Skeptics require that the

747
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:41,100
results be properly recorded and will be

748
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,840
published in the skeptic was there

749
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,480
favorable or not because that helps to

750
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,760
eliminate a sort of selection process

751
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:50,640
where the psychic researcher can carry

752
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:53,340
out many different tests select those

753
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,559
few that get an above chance results and

754
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,779
publish only those we require that there

755
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,100
is often be published better their

756
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,140
favorable or not of course a

757
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,000
responsibility comes with this firstly

758
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:04,980
we're responsible to our two patrons

759
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,740
Dick Smith and Philip Adams for the ten

760
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,960
thousand dollars that they put up at as

761
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:12,720
of the prize stands at the moment

762
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:15,480
and secondly we're also responsible of

763
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,220
course to the people submitting the test

764
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:19,500
the last thing we would want to do would

765
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:20,820
be to reject

766
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:22,980
some phenomena and then find out that it

767
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:24,779
was genuine that would put us in their

768
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,580
embarrassing situation so therefore we

769
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,200
immersed the help of Consultants there

770
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,840
are many professional scientists and say

771
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,320
both among our members and we freely

772
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:39,240
consult with those on the proper ways of

773
00:33:44,409 --> 00:33:42,960
carrying out tests secondly we must

774
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:44,419
fully appreciate

775
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,360
the risk of getting a positive result by

776
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:50,820
chance there's always a risk of costing

777
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:53,580
if you toss the coin and you said you

778
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,559
will get 999 hits add 100 shots and you

779
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:00,480
must fully appreciate the statistics

780
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:02,820
involved so we're fully aware that there

781
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,640
is a small chance that a positive result

782
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:07,679
can arise by a chance

783
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,379
and thirdly it hasn't happened yet that

784
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,300
it's conceivable that someone will come

785
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,919
along and try to check the Australian

786
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:15,720
Skeptics out of their money there was

787
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:18,780
such a case of that in Britain where

788
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,940
James Randy went over and examined the

789
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,619
apparatus they were using and found a

790
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:24,780
couple of slight defects in the design

791
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:27,899
which enabled them to bias the results

792
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,540
so therefore to guard against the

793
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,339
possibility of someone deliberately and

794
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:34,619
maliciously trying to pick the

795
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,119
Australian Skeptics out of the money

796
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,760
we'll miss the help of quite a few

797
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:41,220
magicians who are very capable at

798
00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:43,020
spotting such things

799
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,000
so the I'll just briefly discuss the 14

800
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,220
challenges that we've had since the if

801
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:52,440
we began carrying out the National

802
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:56,639
Committee in Sydney three years ago of

803
00:35:02,990 --> 00:34:59,040
those 14 people who have written they

804
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:03,000
probably documented claim in writing we

805
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,619
find there's a heavy preponderance of

806
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,480
water diviners there are four people who

807
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,640
fail to be able to find underground

808
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,359
water and most of those produced

809
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,160
documentation from a farmer for someone

810
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,839
else saying that successfully found

811
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,119
water one person claimed to be able to

812
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:21,000
dust for water from an aircraft and

813
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:23,700
another one claimed to be able to find

814
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,820
water by divining on a map that's very

815
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:28,680
that so it saves a lot of shoe leather

816
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,180
of course it you can just sit down and

817
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:32,099
out of your home lay out a map on the

818
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:33,480
table to find out where the further

819
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,960
water is or one of the applicants was so

820
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:38,760
just some very good information the

821
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:41,400
csiro has two electromagnetic devices

822
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:43,619
for finding water or mineral deposits

823
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:44,760
Underground

824
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:47,400
so he drew our attention to these and we

825
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,880
approached the csiro and obtained the

826
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:53,040
documentation on these two instruments

827
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:55,320
and unfortunately one of them is

828
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:58,680
referred to as the cathiro's new water

829
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,800
and or of salts diviner

830
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,599
so that's the most embarrassing choice

831
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,520
of words there we've had some people

832
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:07,740
saying there you are the csiro knows how

833
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:09,240
they can Divine water why do you say

834
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:10,440
that we

835
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:13,079
that's been a bit of an embarrassment of

836
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,280
course we're fully aware of the

837
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,839
electromagnetic properties of the

838
00:36:19,730 --> 00:36:17,880
csiro's instruments and how they work

839
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,740
and there's certainly no resemblance

840
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,020
between that now the diviners operate

841
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:24,240
another applicant was able to Divine

842
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,560
minerals another applicant told us how

843
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:30,359
very large amount of detail how he

844
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:33,839
predicted the Supernova would occurred

845
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,020
and he said that he was visited by

846
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,200
various Intergalactic and paranormal

847
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,540
bodies and informed of these facts and

848
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,220
he wrote about it to us sometime after

849
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,079
the event and claimed that he'd effect

850
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,240
predicted it before the event so we

851
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,400
wrote back to Newman said that if

852
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:52,619
Commander Michael of the star Fleet

853
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,880
should play with him with any more

854
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:55,800
predictions he should perhaps drop a

855
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:57,780
line to the Skeptics before the event is

856
00:37:00,770 --> 00:36:58,680
kind

857
00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:00,780
that really strengthens the case if he

858
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:03,180
tells us about it beforehand we had a

859
00:37:08,750 --> 00:37:06,720
lady who could read Tea Leaves we asked

860
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:08,760
her for supporting evidence

861
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:11,460
for her two-league reading and she sent

862
00:37:16,750 --> 00:37:13,079
us some documentation the book she'd

863
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:16,760
written and a major Advanced thesis

864
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,900
unfortunately we haven't none of our

865
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:20,220
scientists have yet been able to

866
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:21,660
understand it

867
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,660
but we're working on that one we have a

868
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,880
practitioner of iridology and things to

869
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:28,380
be able to prove that there is in fact a

870
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:29,880
connection between the iris of the eye

871
00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:31,619
and the organs of the body

872
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:33,540
we've got people who can claim to be

873
00:37:39,069 --> 00:37:37,140
able to carry out Hands-On healing

874
00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:39,079
we've got people who can carry out

875
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,540
telekinesis and telepathy we've got a

876
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,359
spiritualist called Bill Beckett and

877
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:47,040
South Australia to

878
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:51,359
was rather threatening in his Manner and

879
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:53,820
received some media attention but his

880
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,980
claims to be able to uncover the

881
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,740
murderer who murdered the lady in South

882
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:00,960
Australia unfortunately he's since

883
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:03,060
brought into the hands of the police I'm

884
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,440
not sure what's happening there that

885
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:06,599
that I think that we can probably close

886
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,800
that file

887
00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:10,560
they had a very versatile person who

888
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,020
abide with parental phones we asked them

889
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:16,320
to identify the Paranormal flame there

890
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:18,900
faming it says paranormal Powers blamed

891
00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:21,300
Mark which ones povoyance telepathy

892
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,460
telekinesis levitation mediumship

893
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:25,740
astrology other psychic predictions

894
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,740
psychic surgery water or metal dividing

895
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:31,260
EST and all other and as very mentioned

896
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,220
before he wrote All of the Above

897
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,200
so I better give him some prizes for

898
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:39,359
trying there finally we had a claimant

899
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:40,200
to

900
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:44,220
trains of Nostradamus and that that

901
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:45,900
would point to the identity of the face

902
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:49,260
on Mars so out of those 14

903
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:50,820
unfortunately none of them have

904
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:53,400
progressed for the stage of testing I'm

905
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:55,260
not quite sure why that is but our

906
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,760
perhaps our

907
00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,280
rules are doing their job but we would

908
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,220
certainly would like to carry out some

909
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,320
testing on them finally there was one

910
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:08,160
case where we did carry out some testing

911
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,720
and that's for a group of how many

912
00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:11,760
Health Products gave us some little

913
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:13,619
devices that they called the polarizer

914
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:14,760
there's one type you put on your water

915
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,980
pipe and it purifies the water that

916
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,200
comes out and other times you put on the

917
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:21,180
terminal of your battery and it makes

918
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:23,220
your car run better and less vibration

919
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,079
and safe petrol and all that I think

920
00:39:29,050 --> 00:39:27,359
that followed on after the publicity

921
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,060
that was given to feed a Brock's

922
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,800
polarizer these people approached us and

923
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,320
asked us to carry out some testing to

924
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:36,119
confirm that their device has worked and

925
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,040
give it an endorsement

926
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:39,839
well excuse me

927
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:41,940
that was with great relics that we in

928
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:44,640
fact carried out very detailed testing

929
00:39:50,210 --> 00:39:47,460
on this device we have a scientific

930
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,220
report that that is in detail the many

931
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,099
plants all of them negative I'm not

932
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:55,920
afraid and it's being prepared for

933
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:00,119
publication and a future skeptic

934
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,089
[Music]

935
00:40:25,069 --> 00:40:23,040
Kyle from the data skeptic podcast if

936
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:25,079
you're curious about the way data is

937
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:27,480
changing our world topics like Ai and

938
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,460
all this craziness with Facebook and

939
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:31,859
Bots and the Twitter storm and how the

940
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:34,200
algorithms that underline that work and

941
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:35,820
you don't want a technical Deep dive you

942
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,619
want it you know in the vernacular in a

943
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,119
way that people can understand check us

944
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:40,560
out at data skeptic that's what we try

945
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,420
and do I interview Advanced

946
00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:44,220
Professionals in the field who do this

947
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:45,900
sort of research and then I get into

948
00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:48,510
interesting projects as well

949
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:50,220
[Music]

950
00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:52,200
we're a weekly show and you can find us

951
00:41:10,530 --> 00:40:53,300
a dataseptic.com

952
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:14,930
[Music]

953
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,450
now it's time once again to appear into

954
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,440
those archives that drove the online

955
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,380
resource of digitized newspapers going

956
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,380
back many decades in two centuries from

957
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:27,480
Australia Australian digitized

958
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:30,300
newspapers magazines and so on fully

959
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:32,599
searchable and

960
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:35,220
trove.nla.gov.eu give it a visit give it

961
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,980
a visit it's a fascinating resource for

962
00:41:43,089 --> 00:41:38,800
our history

963
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:45,670
now in keeping up with our general

964
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:49,560
paranormal theme once more once more

965
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,040
we're going to Rattle the uh the cages

966
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:56,460
and see if we can scare up some ghosts

967
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,820
and ghosts from the past you know it

968
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,500
must be very boring being a ghost

969
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,420
waiting for decades or centuries for

970
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,240
somebody to happen across your Crypt or

971
00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:09,180
your room or your wherever you are only

972
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,140
to scare them

973
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:14,520
maybe not the most fulfilling of

974
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:22,450
thank you

975
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,089
so return to the pages of the bulletin

976
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:29,040
magazine which I I'm sure no longer

977
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:32,040
exists from April the 1st April the

978
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:32,900
first

979
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,220
1980 and a report by Greg sheerden

980
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:40,320
under the title of the supernatural

981
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:43,260
Hospital ghosts show up as friendly

982
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,060
spirits

983
00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:47,820
in these days of the Amityville Horror

984
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:50,940
aliens from outer space and Spooks and

985
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:54,060
spookiness generally it is reassuring to

986
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:56,660
know that some ghosts are benevolent

987
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,160
Australia's hospitals boast a Rich

988
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:01,619
Harvest of ghosts as well they might

989
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:04,140
hospitals being rather obvious places

990
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:06,599
for ghosts to congregate

991
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,760
the most interesting of the hospital

992
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:11,280
ghosts inhabits Saint Vincent's Hospital

993
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:16,800
in Sydney or more peculi Ward 14. the

994
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,040
famous alcoholics Ward where many of

995
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,740
Sydney's most hopeless soaks have some

996
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:26,160
Solace there are stories that some of

997
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,380
the patients have been consoled and

998
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,440
comforted by the mysterious quote gray

999
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:34,800
none end quote who apparently inhabits

1000
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,300
an old lift in the ward nurses and staff

1001
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,640
on the night shift won't use that

1002
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,740
particular lift and stories about the

1003
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:45,720
gray nun are legion

1004
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:48,540
she is supposed to have fallen down a

1005
00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:51,780
stairwell many years ago and has been a

1006
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,060
friendly and occasional visitor to the

1007
00:43:59,390 --> 00:43:56,700
ward ever since apparently the floor of

1008
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,400
the ward is now a few centimeters higher

1009
00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:01,760
than it was when she walked the rounds

1010
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,700
and so her feet are never visible just

1011
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:07,740
the black stockings below the gray

1012
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:11,359
uniform Dr Ron Spencer medical

1013
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,319
superintendent of Saint Vincent's

1014
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,480
explained that some of the people who

1015
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:17,940
have had experience with the gray nun

1016
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:20,099
are reluctant to speak about them

1017
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,900
because they feel their relationship

1018
00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:24,540
with her is a very private and personal

1019
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,300
thing they also feel they might be

1020
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:29,160
ridiculed by their professional

1021
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:31,319
colleagues he says

1022
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:33,540
some of the nurses at the hospital spoke

1023
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:37,140
to the bulletin about the gray nun but

1024
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,680
none wanted their names mentioned they

1025
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,720
recounted several stories of encounters

1026
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,180
with the mysterious ghost on one night

1027
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:47,640
shift a nurse felt an overwhelming sense

1028
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,160
of another presence near her she called

1029
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:52,380
out to the sister on duty who came to

1030
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,319
see what was the matter the sister also

1031
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:57,599
felt the presence and said to the gray

1032
00:45:02,809 --> 00:45:00,480
nun go down to the other end of the ward

1033
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,819
that's where you're wanted about 30

1034
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:04,740
seconds later the nurse at the other end

1035
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:07,980
of the ward where the gray nun had been

1036
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,440
directed called out to the sister she

1037
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:12,900
now felt the presence of the nun on

1038
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:15,240
various occasions patients have been

1039
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:19,020
seen talking with no one inside when

1040
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:22,200
asked they have said they were talking

1041
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,859
to quote the lady in gray end quote on

1042
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:27,540
another occasion a nurse or a nun

1043
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:29,339
dressed in Gray walk through the ward

1044
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:32,940
about 4am the next day she commented to

1045
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,880
one of the hospital nuns about the odd

1046
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:38,160
hours some of them kept

1047
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:41,339
but on inquiry no sister had been out

1048
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:44,880
that night there are even stories though

1049
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:48,780
most nurses don't believe them of the

1050
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:52,680
gray nun fixing patients drips all the

1051
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,319
nurses emphasize that the gray nun is a

1052
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:57,720
benevolent Spirit whom never causes any

1053
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,420
trouble but will Comfort patients and

1054
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,119
generally be helpful Saint Vincent's

1055
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:04,920
spookiness doesn't end with the gray

1056
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,740
none however apparently a hanging lied

1057
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,040
in a certain Ward swings only when a

1058
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,460
death is imminent the historic Sydney

1059
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,760
hospital has its share of ghostliness as

1060
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,880
well the 180 year old hospital in

1061
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,040
Macquarie street is a perfect setting

1062
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:26,579
for ghosts the weathered sandstone and

1063
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:29,700
old gray buildings might have been

1064
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,280
specially constructed as a poltergeist

1065
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:35,040
Paradise with narrow corridors and dark

1066
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:38,520
Corners in abundance in what was once

1067
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:41,400
the rum Hospital there have been quite a

1068
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:44,460
few rum events in recent years with

1069
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:47,099
until recently two ghosts being spotted

1070
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,280
by the old hospital sister Suzanne Lewis

1071
00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:52,740
a senior member of the nursing staff at

1072
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,319
Sydney Hospital readily admits that she

1073
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:57,720
believes in the reality of ghosts at

1074
00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,839
Sydney hospital she says staff have

1075
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,819
constantly reported in a particular Ward

1076
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:05,760
sounds of footsteps and they've seen a

1077
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:08,339
shadow of somebody in a cloud but never

1078
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:10,980
seen the face it's near the pan room

1079
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:13,260
that they've usually seen it mainly at

1080
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,900
night it's been going on for quite some

1081
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:18,420
years a nurse is supposed to have hung

1082
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,060
herself in that same pan room around the

1083
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,640
turn of the century sister Lewis says

1084
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,800
that the presence of the ghost sometimes

1085
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:28,079
upsets the young nurses but it doesn't

1086
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:30,359
worry the more experienced ones as much

1087
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,060
because they know the ghost is friendly

1088
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,579
Sydney Hospital's other ghost was a

1089
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,880
junior Doctor Who too many years ago

1090
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,099
threw himself off the top of one of the

1091
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,440
buildings an old lift in the building

1092
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,740
which could only be opened manually by a

1093
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:49,440
rope used to go up and down of its own

1094
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:52,020
volition and sightings of unexplained

1095
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shadows in the lift were sometimes

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reported about four or five years ago

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the lift was replaced and no further

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incidents were reported casual inquiry

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also reveals that Royal Brisbane

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Hospital also has its resident ghost a

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woman in white has reportedly kept a

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visual beside patients beds in Ward 15.

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patients have reported sightings at

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night and some of them even thanked Duty

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nurses for attending their beds but then

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found no nurse was near them

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spooky goings on it's in Vincent's

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Hospital in Sydney way back in the 1980s

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and there's a photograph of the hospital

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here Sydney St Vincent Hospital the

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ghost of a nun does the rounds

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occasionally in Ward 14. I wonder I

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wonder if Ward 14

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still exists

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and finally we'll turn to the Blue

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Mountains Gazette dated the 2nd of

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December 1904 indignant ghosts

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to quote ghosts end quote who were

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captured at a spiritualistic seance in

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Brooklyn USA

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purportedly demanded the arrest of their

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captors for assault and battery the

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Seance was coordinated by two mediums of

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considerable local repute and was

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attended by a large Gathering of the

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public as the materialization of an

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angel child and an Indian chief had been

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promised the audience sat for a long

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time in darkness in the hope that the

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spirits would show themselves and soft

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music was played to give an agreeable

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reception initially two shadowy outlines

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appeared one was in the likeness of an

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Indian chief but the angel child had

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materialized into an adult female form

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very strange at the same moment there

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was a mysterious rush in the audience

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and the female ghost set up heart

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rendering shrieks the Indian chief

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contributed his quota to The Noise by

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pouring out a torrent of abuse then the

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lights were turned on and the

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materialized Spirits were seen to be in

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the hands of a couple of unbelievers who

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called in the police and had them

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arrested as imposters the angel brought

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against her captor a charge of assault

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by pulling out her hair while the Indian

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chief added larceny to the assault

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charge by alleging that his red coat was

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stolen

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what what a strange account of a seance

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way back in

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1904 in Brooklyn

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[Music]

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now in my um searching through Trove and

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when I think about it of all the terms I

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look up for this segment dealing

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on the Paranormal and hope medicine

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skeptical stuff in general I think the

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most returned probably can be found when

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you type in the word ghost there are

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many indeed but of course when you go to

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Trove and have a look around you never

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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Kenny Bittle I had a wonderful time uh

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chatting to uh to Kenny and again you

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can see that whole interview it's on

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again

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that's really weird the showers are just

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coming and going with the rain stopping

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that's all coming up but I thought we'd

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take a moment for the Easter egg for all

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the people who listen up

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00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:36,599
Easter is coming up we got the Easter

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egg in today's episode of the skeptic

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Zone podcast I'm with the trivia team

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the trivia crew and Susan gobert's

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00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:45,300
weekly trivia I've got a 10-sided blurry

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die there because it's pouring out a

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little bit on the scene there we go okay

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how many floors are on that one there's

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only one five folks uh chip in with into

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00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,240
the chat with your guests we're going to

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roll it three times I'm going to unblur

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00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:01,680
my screen so you can see it properly and

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see if what you can

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00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,500
guess what the dice comes up we got a

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three a four a one an eight a five a

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three five five it's gonna be five I'm

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00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,819
saying it verbally nobody's put it in 11

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00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,920
or 12 yet that's a good thing

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here we go and you'll have to take

1225
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roll number one

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eight

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I didn't hear it

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did well I know you showed me an eight

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00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,760
but I didn't see anything yeah yeah yeah

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you Skeptics number eight was the first

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00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,980
roll here we go roll number two put in

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00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:42,599
your guesses now did anybody get eight

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00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:48,650
three we've got a one nine a four from

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Rob

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and here it comes roll number two

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00:54:57,710 --> 00:54:56,339
a six from Karen there we go rule number

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two is

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eight

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00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:09,300
Susan you know what's going to happen

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00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:10,859
every now and then

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okay five last roll here we go the last

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time

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Mommy needs the new shoes three five

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eight seven four five seven and it is

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[Music]

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Carolina

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today's winning numbers for you at home

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if you're playing long eight eight and

1249
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:40,200
seven and Susan I noticed that uh on uh

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00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,579
Tick Tock you've been putting up

1251
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:43,440
something to do with a seat belt psychic

1252
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:46,260
oh he is going the seatbelt psychic

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00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:49,859
Thomas John he is gone viral millions of

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00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,740
views on these on these things and it's

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00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:54,839
incredible and then we looked he's

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00:55:58,849 --> 00:55:56,940
sponsoring some of these he's paying for

1257
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,859
these ads for other people to put them

1258
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,960
up on their Tick Tock channels well

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00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,940
Susan I think that's a topic we can

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00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:05,099
discuss in an upcoming episode of the

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00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:06,900
skeptic Zone but thank you everybody for

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00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:08,819
playing as I said this week